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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2010, 03:22:31 AM »


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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 09:39:46 AM »
Thus falls the Republic. God help us all now.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/red-alert-we-are-now-living-under.html


Thats a bit of a distortion.  The house already voted for and passed a health care bill.  The proposed rule would merely mean they would not have to revote on provisions already passed, before the senate amended it.

Under this rule the House would still have to vote on corrections to the Senate bill.
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 09:47:52 AM »
that said the proposal most likely won't fly.  Its a bad idea.

Either way it does not constitute "martial law".  Which is the military taking over the government.
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2010, 10:11:32 AM »
I've always understood it to mean the suspension of Constitutional Rights, as in habeas corpus along with the Posse Comitatus Act.
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2010, 12:39:14 PM »
I've always understood it to mean the suspension of Constitutional Rights, as in habeas corpus along with the Posse Comitatus Act.

With the military implementation as a bi-product....still, the proposal not flying is just crazy.    If it's right, let it pass....if it's wrong, solve the wrongs and let it pass. 

This is why I could never be a politician.  I'd be hurting folks feelings with all this pettiness. 


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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2010, 06:08:12 PM »
Holly fuck man. Seriously? If U.S. went to Martial Law who would be in command?


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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 08:30:58 PM »
ME!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!

The same folk would be in-command probably...just with a lot less representation of the people.

Barack Obama strikes me as a bit of a milquetoast for Draconian rule.  But then again, Hitler was pretty much a wimp too. 

And no I don't think Obama is a Nazi.


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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 09:51:49 AM »
Yet more proof that what Congress wants to do is Un-Constitutional:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/michael-mcconnell-of-stanford-law.html
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 11:16:00 AM »
An interesting take.  But I still think while a bad idea the rule is not unconstitutional.

the House under the proposed rule still has to vote on the changes,  They also already voted on this bill in November.
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 11:18:49 AM »
After Research I found. the So-Called "Slaughter Solution" has been used many times in the passed.  It is known as a Self-Executing Rule.

Particuarly when the Republicans controlled the house from

http://wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1412&fuseaction=topics.publications&doc_id=190504&group_id=180829

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Self-executing rules began innocently enough in the 1970s as a way of making technical corrections to bills. But, as the House became more partisan in the 1980s, the majority leadership was empowered by its caucus to take all necessary steps to pass the party's bills. This included a Rules Committee that was used more creatively to devise procedures to all but guarantee policy success. The self-executing rule was one such device to make substantive changes in legislation while ensuring majority passage.

When Republicans were in the minority, they railed against self-executing rules as being anti-deliberative because they undermined and perverted the work of committees and also prevented the House from having a separate debate and vote on the majority's preferred changes. From the 95th to 98th Congresses (1977-84), there were only eight self-executing rules making up just 1 percent of the 857 total rules granted. However, in Speaker Tip O'Neill's (D-Mass.) final term in the 99th Congress, there were 20 self-executing rules (12 percent). In Rep. Jim Wright's (D-Texas) only full term as Speaker, in the 100th Congress, there were 18 self-executing rules (17 percent). They reached a high point of 30 under Speaker Tom Foley (D-Wash.) during the final Democratic Congress, the 103rd, for 22 percent of all rules.

When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.

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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2010, 10:22:48 AM »
According to this and the Wall Street Journal, the "Slaughter Rule" strategy is unprecedented:

http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2010/03/16/slaughter-rule-strategy-unprecedented/
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2010, 10:33:05 AM »
Yeah the WSJ editorials need better fact checkers

http://blog.american.com/?p=11467

constitutional expert Norman J. Ornstein, who like me find the idea both bad, and constitutional.  Points out how this was used by the last Republican controlled house over 35 times.
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Re: The United States of America is now under Martial Law
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2010, 10:41:40 AM »
Examples you ask?

Democratic Controlled:

On August 2, 1989, the House adopted a rule (H.Res. 221) that automatically incorporated into the text of the bill made in order for consideration a provision that prohibited smoking on domestic airline flights of two hours or less duration.

Republican Controlled:


On March 19, 1996, the House adopted a rule (H.Res. 384) that incorporated a voluntary employee verification program — Addressing the employment of illegal immigrants — into a committee substitute made in order as original text.

H.Res. 239, agreed to on September 24, 1997, automatically incorporated into the base bill a provision to block the use of statistical sampling for the 2000 census until federal courts had an opportunity to rule on its constitutionality.

A closed rule (H.Res. 303) on an IRS reform bill provided for automatic adoption of four amendments to the committee substitute made in order as original text. The rule was adopted on November 5, 1997, with bipartisan support.

On May 7, 1998, an intelligence authorization bill was made in order by H.Res. 420. This self-executing rule dropped a section from the intelligence measure that would have permitted the CIA to offer their employees an early-out retirement program.

On February 20, 2005, the House adopted H.Res. 75, which provided that a manager’s amendment dealing with immigration issues shall be considered as adopted in the House and in the Committee of the Whole and the bill (H.R. 418), as amended, shall be considered as the original bill for purposes of amendment.
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The Wall Street Journal Editorial is just wrong.
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